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Barron's on Jim Rogers

Monday, June 05, 2006

Barron's is really catching on to this whole commodity thing. Last week it was a dismissal of the commodity bubble thesis and an interview with Goldmoney.com founder James Turk. Gracing this week's cover($) we find commodity investor extraordinaire Jim Rogers.

Lately, this publication has become the preferred weekend reading material here, despite the fact that they have never fulfilled their promise of a complimentary print subscription - an attempt to compensate angered subscribers some time ago when they redid their online subscription plans.

A reader posted a comment on last week's Barron's post indicating that you have to call them to get the print subscription activated. Oh well, one more thing to add to the To Do list.

Aside from the little subscription quibble, the only complaint with recent issues of this publication is the title applied to this week's Jim Rogers story - Last Laugh. It seems a bit inappropriate, implying a sort of finality to the current happenings in commodity markets, in conflict with the substance of the interview and other views expressed in the pages of Barron's recently.


WITH THE PRICES OF OIL AND INDUSTRIAL METALS like copper, zinc and nickel screaming higher in recent months, such observers as Warren Buffett and Morgan Stanley's Steve Roach have proclaimed that commodity markets are in a bubble destined to burst soon.

But Jim Rogers, fabled hedge-fund manager of the 'Seventies and now ardent commodity bull, finds such talk ridiculous. Indeed, he has been pounding the drum for investing in commodities in recent years in numerous speeches and media interviews, even writing Hot Commodities, a book propitiously published in late 2004 that predicted a coming price boom in everything from aluminum to zinc.

Barron's caught up with Rogers on a recent rainy morning as he worked out on a stationary bike in the fourth-floor exercise room of his five-floor mansion on New York's Upper West Side. Bloomberg Radio droned in the background as he talked while occasionally glancing at a laptop computer, perched precariously on the machine's handlebars. "How can anybody say that a bubble has developed in commodities yet" -- brief pant -- "with sugar 80% below, silver 75% below and corn and cotton less than half their all-time price highs?" he huffed. "You can't have a bubble when the media has only begun to pay attention to commodities in recent months after years of disinterest. We're now only in the early part of a long-term commodity price boom that has years to run and will likely see literally dozens of raw- material prices make new highs. Even crude oil and copper have a long way to go, even though they recently set price records."

How long will the surge run? Based on the past longevity of commodity bull markets (Rogers mentions ones that, by his reckoning, lasted from 1906 to 1922, 1933 to 1953 and 1968 to 1982), the current boom could last eight to 14 more years. The commodities-bubble crowd scoffs at that, just as skeptics did when Rogers predicted the current boom a few years ago.
Living in Southern California suburban sprawl it's hard to imagine exactly what a five floor mansion on the Upper West Side of New York might be like, but it sure does explain the deferential comments that are made by every other guest on Cavuto on Business.

As to the "Last Laugh" title, based on what appears in the beginning of this story, a more appropriate phrase might be something along the lines of "Not the Last Laugh, but a Big Smile".

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References to studies about how commodities have outperformed equities keep popping up in Barron's. Last week it was an Ibottson study, this week Barry Bannister of Stifel Nicolaus, Gary Gorton of the University of Pennsylvania, and K. Geert Rouwenhorst of Yale all chime in with the same idea.

Alert reader John Law (not his real name) has provided this link(.pdf) to the Yale study.

It all seemed so obvious to a select few people around the turn of the century, and seems obvious to more people today, but the idea of equities as second fiddle to boring commodities is anathema to the vast majority of those with money to invest.
To Rogers, the past few years have witnessed another changing of the guard; commodities will rule over stocks and bonds for the next decade or more. Inflation will continue to flare and not just because of rising raw-material prices. According to Rogers, new Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is "an amateur with no knowledge of markets" whose academic work revolved around how nations could avoid depressions by printing more money. And, finally, he throws into this witches' brew the likelihood of a collapse in the dollar as a result of America's accelerating debtor status. Rogers views commodities as the ultimate refuge from these scourges.
That's a stinging criticism of the new Fed Chairman and a cogent summary of his writing on both the Great Depression and the "lost decade" in Japan. Even if you don't agree with him, or if you think that he's just talking his book (in this case, both the Rogers Raw Material Fund and his book Hot Commodities), it's refreshing to hear someone speak this bluntly about monetary policy.

He was no fan of Alan Greenspan, and may think even less of Ben Bernanke.

Rogers has been bullish on all things Chinese for many years now, and rightly figures that despite many bumps along the way, the emerging Chinese middle class will eventually drive global consumption, exposing the underinvestment in infrastructure and exploration during the last two decades for what it was - a poorly timed cost saving measure.
CHINA IS NOW the No. 1 consumer of copper, steel and iron ore, and No. 2 in the use of oil and energy products to feed its industrial maw, which is growing at a prodigious rate of nearly 20% a year. And the torrent of textiles, refrigerators, color TVs and computers aren't just flowing to overseas outlets like Wal-Mart. Burgeoning economic growth is also creating a Chinese middle class aspiring to better meals and more creature comforts. In Rogers' view, it's delusional to deny that competition for commodities will continue to heat up as a result of China's pell-mell rush from a peasant economy to economic giant. Today, there are only 30 million private vehicles on the roads in China, versus 235 million passenger vehicles in the U.S., even though China has almost 4½ times as many people.
From a recent documentary, the image of a young Chinese couple living in what looked like a 400 square foot apartment going to the local automobile dealer to purchase their very first car will forever remain fresh in my mind. Give these eager young workers credit cards and then, later on, wacky home loans, and we'll soon find that China doesn't need the U.S. or our dollars to sustain their manufacturing output.

Citibank is working on that.

As to the recent investor interest in commodity funds and the theory put forth elsewhere by certain quacks in the financial media that the new commodity ETFs are driving prices ever higher, someone who might know a little something about commodities weighs in.
In all, some $90 billion in institutional and individual investor money has poured into various commodity index products with the Goldman Sachs index boasting around $60 billion of the total. Hot performance has been part of the lure, to be sure. In addition, the commodity markets have become infinitely more respectable as a result of academic studies, such as the earlier-mentioned Gorton-Rouwenhorst paper, asserting that fully collateralized futures positions shield investors against inflation while offering stock-like total returns over the long haul, though timed to different stages in the economic cycle.

Some observers contend that the advent of commodity index funds, along with the addition of exchange-traded funds based on a single commodity, such as gold or silver, artificially pumped up prices through collective buying. The ETFs purchase physical commodities as money pours in, while the index funds concentrate on futures that are near expiration. The latter activity also boosts "spot" or cash price of commodities, some maintain.

ROGERS FINDS SUCH contentions preposterous. First, he argues, the commodity index funds are minuscule, compared with the index funds that operate in the stock and bond markets. Also, commodities index funds must constantly roll their futures positions forward as their existing futures approach expiration. This relieves buying pressure on nearby futures. The Rogers funds, in fact, buy only futures two delivery periods away from expiration.

Finally, the large commercial interests that trade commodities aren't about to let speculators wrest control of prices. "ExxonMobil can drown all the index funds, hedge funds and other speculators in the energy markets if anyone tries to manipulate prices," Rogers asserts. "It's largely the surging global demand for raw materials that is pushing prices up."
It should also be noted that copper and zinc, the commodities that have gone vertical in the charts above are poorly represented in existing commodity indexes. In the Goldman Sachs Index cited above, these base metals account for two percent and one percent of the total index, respectively.

In conclusion, and again demonstrating the inappropriateness of the title of this article, the following prognostication is offered.
THE COMMODITY BOOM, like all bull markets, eventually will end in a crescendo of hysteria. The public will feel an overwhelming desire to invest in raw materials rather than stocks or bonds. Financial publications will be chronicling the derring-do of commodity kingpins with the reverence and wonder once accorded the dot-com billionaires. Seemingly insatiable demand for commodities will provoke investment in new sources of supply, but few investors will notice as supply and demand start to come back into balance

But that day won't dawn for a decade or so, says Rogers, who hopes to be on to the next big thing by then.
Recent talk of a commodity bubble bursting seems awfully premature and maybe somewhat of an instinctive, defensive response from a financial media that has been conditioned for more than two decades to just promote stocks and bonds.

The public is not on board yet - not by a longshot. The public is either thinking about how to make next month's mortgage payment or still dreaming of granite countertops - how to divest themselves of a good portion of the money that has piled up in their houses in recent years.

There is no hysteria save for the financial media who were reluctant to call housing a bubble but eager to apply the label to commodities as a whole, when only a few items have experience extreme price rises, many still far below nominal highs reached over two decades ago.

12 comments:

john_law_the_II said...

Jim Rogers is getting a lot of credit lately.

here is one of the studies you mentioned, tim. I keep a nice commodity links bookmark folder.

Ibbotson Study Determines Diversification Benefits Of Precious Metals Bullion

Ontario, Canada - Jun 28, 2005

A study prepared for Bullion Marketing Services Inc. by Ibbotson Associates has determined that the addition of precious metals bullion to a portfolio of traditional asset classes enhanced diversification and improved the reward-to-risk ratio in conservative, moderate and aggressive asset allocations.

Since an investment in commodity-related stocks does not provide a direct or pure asset class exposure to commodities, researchers at Ibbotson analyzed the role of a direct, physical investment in an equally-weighted portfolio or composite of gold, silver and platinum bullion. The study, entitled “Portfolio Diversification with Gold, Silver and Platinum,” covered a period of 33 years from February 1971 to December 2004. Over that time period, researchers found that precious metals had a negative correlation with traditional asset classes and a positive correlation with inflation.

“The negative correlation of precious metals bullion with traditional asset classes potentially makes it a strong diversifier in a traditional portfolio,” said Nick Barisheff, president of Bullion Marketing Services Inc., the distributor of The Millennium BullionFund. “The asset class’ positive correlation with inflation can also help to insulate a portfolio from the deteriorating impact of inflation.”

Anonymous said...

he may be rich and smart, but his bowtie still looks dumb

Anonymous said...

WSJ published a piece in this past week that pointed out the correlation between commodities and stocks had gone from negative to positive in the past few years.

This jibes with my observations of late... whenever money drains out of the stock market and into bonds, it drains out of commodities as well. The new commodities ETFs probably facilitate this.

Tim said...

Here's some classic smoke gettin' blown up your arse via today's WSJ:

Is Easy Money Going Down the Drain

"Many investment pros think those speculative days are gone. "My brother-in-law is no longer flipping condos in Miami. His credit line has been shut down by the banks. My neighbor's plans for a new kitchen are on hold -- turns out he made a wrong leveraged bet on commodities," Bank of America market strategist Joseph Quinlan wrote in a report to clients."

His clients are gonna be pissed in another year or so when they realize their man missed the whole commodity boom.

powayseller said...

How can China bet on enriching the middle class when its main customer, the US, is in a recession?

Remember the 2000-2001 recession? Stocks markets around the world, especially in Asia, tanked. Commodities dipped up to 40%!

Jim Rogers is just a salesman. Listening to Jim Rogers about commodities is like listening to David Lereah for advice on housing. Come on, you guys on this forum should know better!

Countries get rich by selling natural resources, and trading with other countries. When the US goes into recession, the world's #1 consumer, who will the export-oriented countries sell to?

I think China will have a recession or big pullback later this year when we start our recession. Look at Federal Reserve and IMF and World Bank and stock market data for 2000-2001.

Maybe I'm wrong, but why do you think so?

Anonymous said...

> Countries get rich by selling natural resources, and trading with other countries. When the US goes into recession, the world's #1 consumer, who will the export-oriented countries sell to?

The US may be the largest single consumer for exports of much of the world, but it is by no means the majority consumer. If I recall correctly, no more than 20-30% of China's exports are bound for the US.

Keep in mind that the Euro zone is larger than the US economy and has a similar standard of living and consumptive base. The US is not as important as you think.

China has become the cheapo provider of choice for most of the world, not just the US.

> Jim Rogers is just a salesman. Listening to Jim Rogers about commodities is like listening to David Lereah for advice on housing. Come on, you guys on this forum should know better!

Similarly, one should not write someone off just because they have self-interest. Everyone does. Even this blog does, in a way that could clearly be a "conflict of interest": you are encouraged to subscribe to Iacono Research to better invest according to the philosophy advocated here.

But you always need to look at the content of the message. At least, if you don't, you'll probably be missing something useful. You will never find a source of that only emits pure, correct, unbiased information. Good luck.

With regards to Rogers and commodities, I've looked at both sides, and so far the arguments that energy, precious metals, or commodities as a whole are already at the "bubble" stage have been piss-poor.

For example, the other day I saw an article arguing gold has peaked and the fundamentals point downward. To prove this point the article showed a chart of gold mining production, which seemed to be only rising. A seemingly solid supply/demand argument, right?

But this point was critically flawed: the chart had no data for years after 1998, and I happen to know from other sources that it was around 2000 that net gold output began declining.

Typical!

john_law_the_II said...

Jim Rogers is nothing but a salesman? what a joke. this man wrote the book on commodities. he's the only one who called this thing, and he called it back in 1998. his index fund is the best performing one since it's inception. he co-founded the Quantum Fund with Soros and made enough money, in large part because of commodities, to retire before he was 40.

let's look at lereah. wrote book about stocks in 2000, just in time for the disaster. wrote a book about housing a few years ago...enough said?

Anonymous said...

Baaaaaaaa!!! Baaaaaaa!!!

The sheep are on the ran again

Anonymous said...

Why is the copper price so high? Um housing boom? ... and the gold price... um, a hedge against inflation by the hedgies and the carry?
Old news I’m afraid.

There's another flock forming? Where?

There’s a perma bull in every market that’s going to be right some time in their life.

Anonymous said...

Re: high prices

Um actually ... why is the dollar going so low? Why are all the currencies going down too? Here's the mother of all the bubbles. Better get close to an exit before you can't.

Anonymous said...

I've followed Jims career for a few years now; count me as a big fan. I've read all 3 of his books, I've dug up many old interviews he gave in the 80's and 90's.

His style may put some people off, but he's right up there with Soros, Buffett, etc in terms of legendary investor status. He's made more money than 99% of the empty talking heads you see on TV. He's very much worth listening to.

Looking at those charts of Copper and Zinc, there will be bodies in the street from this mini speculative blow off. People will get hurt badly, people will start doubting commodities, laughing at Jim again. That'll be the best time to get long if you believe his thesis.

Anonymous said...

a website I found that may interest those interested in commodities:

http://www.thecommodityinvestor.com

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