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Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Continuing with the theme of great rationalizations in an unbalanced world, today our attention is turned to a fascinating debate between Dr. Marc Faber of Gloom, Boom, and Doom fame and Louis-Vincent Gave of GaveKal Research.

Hosted by Kathryn M. Welling of Weeden & Co (Welling@Weeden) the discussion occurred late last year and the transcript is available online - Brave New World or Bust (PDF).


Faber, author of Tomorrow's Gold is a long time resident of Hong Kong who writes and speaks frequently about global imbalances, the bright future of Asia, and the troubles that lie ahead for the U.S. and much of the western world.

Gave, along with the rest of the GaveKal Research team, has recently published Our Brave New World in which the "platform company" model is presented as an explanation for how a seemingly unbalanced world is actually in balance.

The platform company model is the product of rethinking economics as it is currently understood, offering an alternative that places a much greater emphasis on intellectual property and the cross-border flow of profits for a service economy.

The discussion is lengthy and reading it in its entirety is highly recommended. For our purposes today, we begin with a description by Gave of our brave new world:

Louis: The very first economists in the world were the physiocrats, in the late 18th Century. They were French and being French myself, maybe I am particularly sensitive to not reproducing their errors. When they looked at the industry burgeoning all around them, they said, “Industry doesn’t add any value. All it does is transform products. You put products in and you take products out. The only value that can be created is from agriculture. You plant a seed and you get a tree. That is value creation.” In other words, they completely missed the Industrial Revolution. They missed the forest for the trees. They were looking at a Second Wave world through First Wave agricultural eyes. One of my fears today is that our entire Western world is moving from an industrial economy to a service economy, yet we don’t have the right ways to measure it. If you take the U.S., the four growth sectors are healthcare, education, technology and finance. Yet all the economic statistics are designed to track how many cars the U.S. produces or how many tons of steel. That is just not where wealth is being created today. What is the inventory-to-sales ratio of Goldman Sachs? What is the industrial production of Harvard University? It makes no sense. Yet no one can deny that Harvard University creates a lot of value in the system, or Goldman Sachs, for that matter. But how do you measure it? The answer is through profits. What matters today are profits and since corporate profits in the U.S. are very high, there is no real reason to be anxious.
There is no doubt that profits for U.S. companies have been high and that the U.S. has become much more of a service economy given the exodus of manufacturing jobs in recent years.

It is also true that contemporary measures of economic activity fail to properly measure an ever-changing world, but, that is the nature of metrics and change - changes to the measurement technique always lag the changes to that which is being measured.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis has thus far dismissed suggestions to modify their procedures in this area, but, given the state of affairs in the reporting of economic statistics in the U.S., anything is possible.

So, what is a platform company in this brave new world and what has its effect been on the U.S. economy and the labor force?
Louis: Basically, the emergence of the platform company model has allowed U.S. companies to outsource manufacturing, the most volatile part of the production cycle, to the developing world. So if underlying economic activity comes in weaker than forecast, the platform companies in the West don’t have to slash labor and inventories. It is their suppliers that have to lay off workers etc., while the designers and marketing people and other service workers in the West find their services still in demand.
This is the well-known, "we think, they sweat" argument for America's continued dominance in the new global economy. Not only do we earn more money with less physical effort, but according to Gave, the job security is better.

Somehow this doesn't seem to square with the unusually high number of real estate related jobs that have been created in recent years or the continuing shift of technology jobs across the Pacific where the number of new engineering graduates dwarfs the number graduated from U.S. colleges.

Marketing and sales, along with dry-cleaning and lawn mowing should find continued demand for American workers, but designer jobs of all types, along with any task that is practical to relocate overseas, appear to be on the move. This of course is required for companies to remain competitive and continue the high profitability that investors now expect.

Could this be a problem?

Good jobs are required for living standards to continue to rise. In the last century, Americans have become accustomed to a rising standard of living, although much of the increase in recent decades appears to be due to both husband and wife now participating in the labor force at levels never before seen.

Even with this extra effort, wages have risen grudgingly in recent years and people have become overly dependent on rising assets rather than rising wages for improvements in living standards and wealth creation. Central bank easy money policies and lax credit regulation have played a big role in the apparent prosperity in the West, as Dr. Faber explains:
Marc: Over the last 20 years, I do not notice a meaningful wealth improvement or standard of living improvement in the Western world. But I have noticed meaningful standard of living improvements in Eastern Europe, in the former Soviet Union, in central Asia and in Asia. So I think that wealth creation has to do with something other than central banking. It has to do with people making capital investments—which come about as a result of foregoing consumption and investing in new processes, in research and development, in the construction of factories, and in the creation of net capital investment. Yet that is precisely what is lacking in Western Europe and, in particular, in the United States. So your huge wealth creation, in my opinion, is largely an illusion, and not a real wealth creation.
Somebody's standard of living must be improving. With an ever-increasing disparity in compensation between those at the top and those at the bottom, it seems that rising corporate profits are unduly benefiting just a select few.
Marc: Sure, for some people there have been improvements. Just consider that today there are some 300 billionaires in the U.S. and that in 1980 there were just eight. But this is very polarized. You are talking about the massive improvement in the standard of living of the rich—of 1% of the population. By contrast, for the typical household—and this is something you’ve even published from time to time yourself—real wages have been declining. So the vast majority of people, not just in the U.S. but also in Western Europe, are not living meaningfully better than they did 20 years ago. And if they do live better—if—it is only because Asians now produce goods that are more affordable. But in general, I would say that the standard of living in the Western World has stagnated. Whereas, by comparison, when I think of Hong Kong and Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea—25 years ago, how poor they were. But how well-to-do they have become in the meantime. Then I look today at China and India and other countries in Central Asia and at how wealthy they will become over time, because of their high savings rates. Relative to that, I don’t see how someone can be very optimistic about the Western World. Nor do I see how everyone in the Western World is going to thrive by designing furniture for IKEA and computers for Dell. Especially because, in time, all those designs will be made and sold in Asia, as well.
And, this is the fundamental problem with the brave new world thinking. We can't all design the next generation of iPods. In recent years, the lackluster job creation that has accompanied the current recovery has been disproportionately associated with the currently inflating asset bubble - housing.

But Gave counters that the quality of life really is better because of all the inexpensive imported goods that people can now buy.
Louis: My point is that judging if life is better or not is a tough call. But your average middle class American now can travel to Paris if he wants to, which would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. You now have TVs with 100 channels. You have DVDs, you have a much better car. If you are just judging the quality of life based on material goods, the average American family now has a lot more than they did 20 years ago.
Hmmm...

Maybe we'd all be better off with fewer DVD players, fewer television channels, and more free time for parents to spend with their kids.

In this follow-up (PDF) to the original discussion, Dr. Faber discusses a fictional Swiss economy he had recently dreamt of where he was the king and all of the tenets of the GaveKal Brave New World were followed. This included readily available money printing machines and a prohibition against manufacturing.

Swiss companies outsourced all their manufacturing to China and their profits soared. Consumer prices were kept low, assets appreciated rapidly, and foreigners lent money back to Switzerland and bought Swiss assets.

Over time foreigners owned more and more of Switzerland and in the end an angry mob of "former drivers, cleaners, or butlers for the rich foreign residents" came and threw the king out the window.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes, "We think, you sweat" says it all. But eventually we think, you sweat, they think, they sweat, and we do nothing; you have to think and sweat to make a living.

Anonymous said...

Is Louis-Vincent Gave (and all the other countless MBA's and marketroids begin cranked out of US universities lately) so arrogant to believe that the Chinese and Indians are too STUPID to train their own engineers, upper middle managers, and marketers? Given, low-intellect manufacturing and call centers have already been exported. However, intellectually demanding fields such as engineering, computer programming, microchip fabrication, and research are being exported as well. What's so special about a business graduate? Trust me, business is FAR less demanding path of education than engineering, and China cranks out about 4 times as many engineers as we do. Expect human resources and business majors to be cranked out as well.

Game over man! They sweat and think more than we do already.

Anonymous said...

You may have some top-notch engineering types working in R&D at Apple, but most of the engineers in this country are about average - easily replaceable by the five or six Indian or Chinese engineers you get for the same money.

Commercial companies are outsourcing like crazy - it looks like if you want to stay working as an engineer in the states you have to work for a defense contractor, which is equal parts paper pushing and actual engineering work.

It used to be that a barely competent engineer could head an upper middle class family - don't count on that in the future.

Sigh ...

Anonymous said...

These guys are so hilarious. Since when does value matter until someone puts a price on it and then puts their money where their mouth is (actions the exchange)? We don't need to make extravagant *guesses* about the value of a nation's economy: you simply look at real growth in standards of living and the willingness of foreigners to buy into that economy!

Responding to some of the comments here: Indian and Chinese engineers aren't any better or worse than American ones. I know; I've worked with a large sample of these populations.

So really there are two differences between developing countries and the West, driving the Western employment stagnation:

1. A static difference: the higher cost structure of the west and relatively lower one of our new patrons in the developing countries. I expect this to go away eventually (though the interval will continue to be painful). The difference that really worries me is...
2. The dynamic difference: higher savings in developing countries as well as governments willing to experiment with systems to encourage growth.

Methods for the latter range from pure liberalization (Eastern Europe/former Soviet Bloc) to liberalization with lots of intervention (as in China's currency-peg trick).

Western governments don't show much sign of wanting to compete with developing nations in terms of liberalization. Western Europe has proven that this kind of political stagnation can reach what seems to be a permanent statis, thus guaranteeing a corresponding statis in the economic system.

And with things like the WTO I don't see how more intervention is a feasible route either (unless the political heat on WTO participation intensifies so much that the West quits the organization).

Idahosa said...

Is it possible that what we are seeing is the world wide market reaching an equilibrium? Developing nations are catching up to the West in expertise and standard of living now but when they actually do achieve parity they will have lost their advantage of cheaper labor. In the meantime, you will see much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Also, what exactly do people propose to do about the upper 1% of the population accumulating wealth? Maybe the social consequences are grave, but I think the consequences of any attempted remedy will be worse. Governments are doomed to be poor distributors of wealth and I think it is best to let things run their course. Everyone wants to be a capitalist until the going gets rough, and then they want to be bailed out. I am not saying people should starve. I am saying people should adapt.

Anonymous said...

The platfom company sounds like the same garbage used to justify the New Economy back in 1999. At that time it's OK for CRAP (Companies without Reveneus And Profits) to have gigantic market cap. Turned out Warren Buffett had the last laugh. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Anonymous said...

Aaron,

The problem is not that Indian or Chinese engineers are better than the American ones. The problem is in the following vicious circle:
1. American companies outsource engineering jobs to cheaper locations thus putting some engineers out of work and depressing wages for the rest.
2. American kids correctly decide that engineering is not an occupation which provides a good financial reward for the required amount of training and effort, compared to, say, law or finance. Thus a lot of the best and brightest do not consider it as a career option. In addition, society places little non-financial prestige on the profession, as they seem to do in many Asian countries.
3. As the result, most (at least in Southern California) recipients of undergraduate engineering degrees are immigrants and children of immigrants (mostly from Asia) and the recipients of most graduate degrees are foreign students. This composition is gradually becoming the norm in the industry/academia as the Sputnik/Apollo generation of American engineers is retiring. So the trumpeted innovativeness of American workers is BS perpetrated by people who never set foot in an engineering firm – most of these innovative workers are already first and second generation immigrants.
4. Many of these foreign students are happy to work in America for awhile after getting their degree to gain experience, but faced with often stagnant prospects here and booming economy back home, many go back taking their expertise with them.
5. Result: less competent engineers in America, more in Asia, causing tech CEOs to say with great surprise: We can’t find qualified people here, so we have to do more outsourcing – back to #1. Plus production is already in Asia, so it makes sense to put design there too, and then research and development… Meanwhile, we will concentrate on the next level of innovation, i.e. sales and marketing and mergers and spin-offs.

There was an anecdote in Wired magazine about a US programmer who worked as a contractor from home for, say, $80K, and hired a guy in India to do all the work for him for $10K, while he did nothing and pocketed the difference. Funny, and in the long term probably unsustainable.

But this is how many US companies operate now! HP (for example) buys a notebook from a Taiwanese manufacturer assembled in China, slaps its logo on it and pockets the difference. Management and Wall Street are happy – costs are lowered by laying off engineers and profit for the quarter is up. Of course in the long run the producers in Asia and retailers in America will drop this link from the supply chain that does not add value, but this is so many quarters ahead… By this time executives involved will prove their cost-cutting credentials and work on the next corporate “turn-around.”

Turning to the topic of today’s post, the “free” money you get after you stop investing into the future but still have revenues coming as the result of investments made in the past is the explanation of the “dark matter.”

Anonymous said...

easily replaceable by the five or six Indian or Chinese engineers you get for the same money. --anonymous

. . . Indian and Chinese engineers aren't any better or worse than American ones. --Aaron Krowne


So, it appears that Indian and Chinese engineers are at least a better value. Labor force -- not Burger King or Wendy's -- is probably the only place you'll find CEOs choosing from the value menu!

The problem is in the . . .vicious circle . . . --ingener

Ingener's well expressed vicious circle for some reason apparently eludes economists and others that have been inculcated with the questionable theories of Adam Smith's "invisible hand" and Ricardo's comparative advantage.

Anonymous said...

I don't find outsourcing to be the main issue. It is unavoidable when you bring so much of the world's labor pool into contact the global economy. Developed countries need to adapt and create something else of value to trade with developing countries. The problem is our banking and economic policies actively redirect us towards activities that will not yield tradeable goods and services. In aggregate, we are like a person in retirement, drawing on their savings. If this goes on for too long, it will be impossible to catch up when the savings run out. The proper solution, imho, is to cut off access to the savings and put us to the test before it is too late. However, to be a realist, I do not believe the political will exists. When the savings run out, we have and will resort to stealing from others.

Anonymous said...

Aaron:
You got it EXACTLY right. I run a small tech company here. I can confirm everything you say. To add to this, the children of elite Asian immigrants (the Indian VCs in silicon valley for example, almost all of whom have a technical background) disdain engineering and prefer finance or law. There was a WSJ article on that phenonmenon. Having paid our corporate attorney $700 an hour for some fairly routine copyright-related legal work, I can sympathize with those kids.

Outsourcing is one step in this entire chain. I believe the chain has its origins in the totally misguided monetary policy. The Fed has financialized America, so finance and related professions (including venture capital, corporate law etc) have all boomed.

This is not a natural development by any stretch.

Anonymous said...

. . .Developed countries need to adapt and create something else of value to trade with developing countries. The problem is our banking and economic policies actively redirect us towards activities that will not yield tradeable goods and services. . .

Chubbyray, generally agree with your first sentence quoted above but seems to me the words "developed" and "developing" are merely noise in a world of multinational corporations. Remove both words and the sentence still stands.

Aren't our banking and economic policies the egg not the chicken -- the result of the fact that all we have left to trade is the reserve status of the dollar bestowed upon us by our well-positioned geography, economy, and political system during the 20th century wars? Could it be that the chicken is approaching menopause at a time of both peak eggs and peak oil ? . . .

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