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A disturbingly accurate housing forecast?

Tuesday, July 03, 2007

Years ago, when fellow Hummer reporter Erik Ustin would visit my "veal pen" (otherwise known as a cubicle - thanks DW) at our former employer early in the morning before any of the other calves arrived at work, we would ruminate on the fate of the housing market.

Back around 2004, when millions of doe-eyed real estate "investors" were talking about flipping condos or snatching up that dreamy vacation home, we were far ahead of our time as we pondered the fate of the raw materials then being used to construct residential housing that the proud new homeowners clearly would not have been able to afford during any other era and stood little chance of holding onto for more than a couple years during the current one.

Already attuned to rising commodity prices and always in search of new and different business opportunities, we wondered whether it would ever be profitable to strip homes of their raw materials and sell them for scrap before the owners were booted out the door for failing to make their monthly mortgage payment and one more house joined the ranks of "Bank Owned Real Estate".

There's a lot of copper in a typical single family residence - almost 500 pounds according to some statistics, twice that for a McMansion - and at between $3 and $4 per pound, a blow torch and a little hard work could result in a healthy cash flow for an ambitious businessman seizing an opportunity that few others even knew existed.

Former homeowners about to re-join the ranks of renters would surely see no downside in accepting a couple hundred dollars for leaving the door open on their final exit, allowing the blow-torch crew to quickly enter for the purpose of extracting the base metal that has become increasingly precious.

After all, with house prices plummeting, whatever money they did put down on the house (if any at all) is long gone and their credit will be impaired for a few years regardless of the condition in which they left the house.

Why not get a little extra "walking around money"?

For an ambitious businessman, the copper haul would probably just be the base level of extraction - the guaranteed return on a meager investment - since nearly all homes have copper pipes and wiring. The bonus would lie in those other things with resale value that are still attached to the house when the former homeowner heads out the front door for the last time.

Light fixtures, sinks, toilets, built-in appliances - even if you sold the stuff for pennies on the dollar, you could probably still remove enough in a single afternoon to make it worthwhile - maybe net $500-$1,000 when all was said and done.

Multiply this by a thousand or tens of thousands and it's easy to see how American ingenuity could make lemonade out of lemons one more time as the once-great housing boom continues to go bust.

Down Under

Erik is in New Zealand now, the former engineer purportedly eying a new career as either a shepherd, coffee importer, or tourist guide but seemingly in no hurry to return to work as he too took profits in California real estate while the takin' was good a few years back.

He does keep up on the housing news in the U.S. however, and found time to forward the article excepted below, an early indication that perhaps the entrepreneurial spirit may still be alive and well in the Rust Belt.

Foreclosures: Hardest hit ZIP codes

In the Rust Belt, it was the ripple effects of a dying industrial economy instead of rampant speculation that crushed the finances of many borrowers in states like Michigan, Ohio and Indiana.
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According to Cleveland city councilman, Tony Branchatelli, who represents the district, more than 600 homes in the neighborhood are vacant and boarded up. Many have little value because the rehabilitation costs would exceed their selling prices. Some have had their plumbing, wiring and other hardware stripped.
Erik's comment:
Well, it happened! Wow we were good.
Yes, and we still are.
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13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Actually, stripping a soon-to-be-foreclosed-upon house of its plumbing is not uncommon. In the mortgage/banking trade it's known as "falling in love with the plumbing." It's nothing new; this has gone on for years through various cycles.

Tim said...

Does anyone make a living "falling in love with the plumbing" over and over?

Anonymous said...

Didn't they do that on the Sopranos a couple seasons ago as part of their HUD scam?

Anonymous said...

You can't really make a living doing this. Most of the people doing this sort of thing are the home owners themselves or friends of the homeowners. It's just a last gasp attempt to make a few grand. They generally strip all of the copper and take out the sinks, basins, toilets, hot water heater, etc. - anything that can be sold. As I said, this happens to varying degrees during every down cycle when people are losing their homes. I would be more surpised to hear that this sort of thing WASN'T happening right now.

Anonymous said...

I think Erik just got lucky like many of the people who made their magic money through RE.

Unfortunately it's easy to dish out "advice" and be-retrospective about your good fortune if you happened to guess the direction of things to come correctly.

Everyone who makes it in RE becomes a "genius." Everyone who fails is a a greedy idiot.

Anonymous said...

I would have rather have had no bubble in real estate since before 2002 I was making a nice bit of change buying lots for $50k putting on a new home for $150k and then selling them for $300k. I could have done this forever if it were not for the bubble. After moving to New Zealand for life style, free health care, and lower taxes I have been lucky enough to make double digit returns against the falling dollar, on top of CD rates of 8.2%. On this I "'got lucky" but as for as real estate, it was just the ability to see the obvious.

Erik

Tim said...

Noz,

The famous golfer Gary Player used to say, "The more I practice, the luckier I get".

That's true in many other aspects of life.

Tim said...

Erik,

I hope you don't take offence to the shepherd comment - I couldn't resist.

Anonymous said...

Tim,
The holiday is over, I just accepted a position with a VoIP for business company. It’s a start up so it may flop in a year but if successful there is a lot of growth potential as the owner wants me to be more of a business partner then just tech support. The good part is the veal pen is my front room since its all remote internet support, and I set my own hours. It sounds too good to be true, so I must be missing something. As far as being a shepherd, I do still miss the cattle ranch in SLO.

Anonymous said...

Erik,

No one in their wildest dreams would have thought that homes would double and triple like they did. So seeing the obvious is very clear in hindsight.

Noz

Anonymous said...

Noz,
It was easy to see in 1987 that a positive cash flow property was a good investment, and it was also easy to see that in 2004 that prices were way to high by any standard. The only hard part was to guess how long it would take the average joe to catch on, kind of like Iraq, and GWB.

zephyr said...

Noz,

Many people did expect home prices to double or triple in the rising market. I was one of them.

I have been through a few cycles, and studied the cycles before my time. This knowledge enables me to exploit the market cycle.

I did this in the 1980s and in the recent cycle. In both cases I expected home prices to at least double and possibly triple from their levels at the bottom. Accordingly, I was buying during the 1980s until 1987 and then I sold in 1989 (at the top) in anticipation of a severe decline. After that severe decline I was buying again from 1998 through 2003, and sold some in early 2006. Now I am waiting for the bottom to do this again.

It is great to be lucky - especially when you can keep repeating that luck.

But it really does not require luck. It requires a modest awareness about market cycles and recent history.

Those who are ignorant of history will suffer (unless they are lucky), and those who understand it can exploit that knowledge.

Good luck to you.

Anonymous said...

Stripping empty houses isn't new. If you've ever seen a "used" hardware store, that's where such merchandise comes from. The pipe and wire doesn't end up there, but the fixtures, water heaters and central air units do. Doors and windows too.

Sometimes it's simple crack/meth-heads. Sometimes it's general "handymen" on the lower end of the economic scale, down on their luck.
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